In a hard-hitting interview with Beijing propagandist Victor Gao, Mehdi Hasan asked Gao about the torture of Uyghur Muslims, including pulling their fingernails out, electrocution, forced sterilization. In eight minutes of interview, Gao did not respond to a single allegation made by Uyghurs in exile but repeated the word terrorism 25 times at the rate of every 15 seconds. Gao cannot do for China what Goebbels couldn’t do for Nazi Germany or Modi for India: make fascistic control look like democracy no matter how many times you say ‘terrorism’.